Very important. Can we please make Nick plus-sized? We threw it out for Ellie but there's no reason to do that for them.

wait I like grumpy tomboy a lot too hm... wait if xe were like a scientist or student studying the infinite LAs and like. tbh if that was my job i think I would be confused and grumpy a lot lmao, plus being thrown onto/joining to investigate the team who started it??

yesssss omg like al pastor put up a poster at the uni being like "special research opportunity! interview the team that started it all!"

I think indigenous south american could be nice, or indigenous asian would be good to add to our team !

and when xer "divining" or seeing the future or having a vision or whatevs their eyes light up

so I'm hearing indigenous South American (we can do more research on specifics here) xe/they/she plus sized science student, a bit grumpy, with heterochromia researching the infinite LAs and the tear?? maybe some special powers with seeing the future?? i love

i love the idea of xem trying to maintain like. the normalcy of studying after having been sucked into blaseball

also the mental image of them studying in the locker room post practice is cute

If nick gets sent elsewhere they're actually fine they're just taking a sick day so they can study for midterms

if Envy does bad our chant is #studybreak sdkgbsg

what if Nick is a super nerd of every other players stats due to their studying of the infinite los angeli they also know about other players alternates

nick vin with a prosthetic arm

I think if we want them to be indigenous south american, it could be interesting if they came to LA post-Unslam for school? i think a lot of our POC characters were born in LA/wherever they feedbacked from so it could be cool to have some difference there?

They wanted to get CLOSE to the infinite to get good measurements.... but they looked too close

what if nick made xer prosthetic arm though... if xe are a student they might just be really smart, could be duel majoring like. idk what in the world it would be called by whatever the study of Los Angeli astronomy could be and smth else?? making a prosthetic arm would just be cool (or leg maybe? switch it up since Natha had a prosthetic arm)

what about xe/they/she?

Envy moved to LA from south america looking for cosmology school opportunities, saw a call out (from Al Pastor ) to join a "research" team, joined the tacos by mistake and was chilling in the Shadows before looking too close at the Tear on her offtime and ??getting affected by whatever the sun is doing in LA, coming back to the stadium and finding herself with some massive energy and ??boom now she's on the team??

Like the idea of being hyper invested in watching the sky and staying out on the field late at night attempting the maddening task of mapping out the stars above our stadium. Thousands of papers strewn out across the field as the sky shifts between different patterns and orientations of stars and planets. The absolute uncertainty that a sky can ever be indentified twice, forever cross referencing books and papers and drawing likes until the field itself is the map. The passing out and having to collect everything before games start

One eye solid yellow and one eye solid white

does one eye also eclipse during the eclipse weather?

wait if Envy is a bit grumpy... they got the ability to see in the future + their eyes turned white and yellow after getting too close to the infinite Sun during research, so now they love blackhole weather the best lmao

part of the reason they're so grumpy is cause they can see the future so they have to experience waking up at the crack of dawn twice

mm yeah maybe they visited the Hellmouth on the way to LA and became interested in Suns specifically to study in the infinite LAs, got all the powers in LA?

and also! if we want to go the route of Envy moving to LA for school from South America, it could be cool if we can maybe talk to the Beams and see if xe could have done any research there too? maybe xe was planning on going to LA to study the Infinite, but visited the Hellmouth on the way there and got their ability to see in the future, and then once they got to LA to keep studying they ended up on the Tacos and was researching the infinite suns here too, which is what made their eyes match up with the sun/moon/weather?

If we're going the prosthetic arm route it could be installed in it

They're working on a huge orrery using the notes and charts they're collecting from LA and it's nearly the size of a car at the moment

"nick vin suffers the consequences of not listening to the Hellmouth Anti-Tourism Board in the name of research" is a fun backstory

I just like the idea of a mechanical astrolabe that's constantly moving it's parts like a compass with a magnet attached to it and Nick has to stare into for a solid minute to get an accurate reading because of how jank LA. So tends to prefer away games because of that

beams are interested in working some hellmouth vibes in to Envy lore later in the week if we still have interest then !

Can nicks head have a saturn ring

It flares into existence whenever a prediction hit?

Fig strikes me as the "laid back but secretly really smart/wise" type so I think that Fig and Nick would get along

Okay! which tacos is Nicholas close friends with? i think xe and Yummy can be "fresh out of the shadows" buddies, and i remember there was a version of Fig that is also a student never mind but there is a Horticulturalist Fig who i think we had mentioned university when talking about at some point?

they both have shadows partners. People expected them to be each other’s partners, but they appeared and were like “nope”

"I HAVE A HOT PARTNER" "...we already know about yummy" "who?"

I feel like Macy would be so quick to annoy Envy while xe is trying to study and then ellie would have to pull macy away haha

yessss. troublemaker + long suffering 'sensible' person + mediator relationship

FWIW I really love McD mentoring NV. My hc with McD is that he's tried to really step up as team captain since Pothos left, and this would be a really good concrete result of that.

McD mentor

NV Fig.... Study Partners NV Macy.... Study Disasters

Just the one person on the team who just can't seem to vibe with Val even though they think she's cool

i like this a lot, I feel like val would go to envy to help them get accustomed to the team and recites her a poem but envy is just like. "i don't get it."

I fully endorse Envy being the team nerd. We don't really have a nerd on the team

I feel like xe kind of throws xerself into their research honestly, huge maps of LA cosmology and such

Half of my family is from central america and mexico, don't see a lot of ultra curly hair. Wavy sometimes but mostly straight

hmmm i can see them being a pencil-behind-the-ear kinda person

Anyone else imagine them wearing a neck pillow between games? Just feels like a fitting thing

“Nice dinger, envy” “oh yeah whatever. Hey can you get a few runs please, I need to research this black hole again.”

Omg NV in the background like throwing rocks at the black hole trying to make it do something

Eclipse weather: looking at the eclipse then at the umps and back again Yummy: you are not talking to the rogue umps about the eclipse NV: I'm not talking to the rogue umps about the eclipse yet finger guns

I like the idea Val leaves a pot of coffee next them when they pass out on the field for when they wake up

Honestly sorta vibe with their whole dynamic being small indirect interactions like that because of how awkward things are whenever they're in a room together

hey if we're going with hellmouth vibes we could say they went to Hellmouth Community College? we could get a vibe check on that with the beams once they're done working on statter jr

At the same time Val appearing out of nowhere reading poetry and scaring the hell out of Nick is also pretty good. And it's never intentional

I imagine Envy is definitely aware of LARD, though I'm unsure if xe's actively working with them.

I feel like Vincent would have one of those string and corkboard filled with Val's poems

I feel like there would be notes written on their bat from when they had a thought on deck

Yummy's wearing a jacket from Hot Tlopic with moon phases and eclipses all over the sleeves, and Bmace says out loud "Oh my heavens, why is that jacket like that????" and NV starts going into detail on what all the patterns mean while Bmace just stares dumbfounded

nick powernaps when not fielding/batting. hot new dugout game: how many objects can we balance on nick before they wake up and knock it all to the ground

also, it seems like NV, Ellie, and Macy are on the younger side of the Tacos so maybe all 3 of them could be friends. trio dynamic.

Also yes to back up i love the idea that both yummy and envy are dating other different shadow people and although they get along great as friends they both find the idea absolutely HILARIOUS that anyone could possibly think they were dating each other

i think ummmmm. maybe xe likes sexton bc hes Quiet and most of the rest of the team are huge goofballs. like they sit next to him lots and theyre 'sit in eachothers company doing our own thing quietly' friends

fig is also kinda like that, so NV Fig Sexton could be another trio dynamic

hex, nudging a mug of coffee towards NV with her paw: nick, noticing the swirling red(?) and bubbles(???) and wayyy too much cream: "I'll pass, but thanks???" and then he just gives her a few headpats and hex just figures "more for me"

for consideration

OK, I think I might have a design going?? thoughts????

Nick asks Haley for advice on magic and how to better integrate it into their comsological studies, otherwise they're just kind of chill

envy is a bass player

(also perhaps this shall be just a Frogs Interp thing. but i think having a nb with the ~"masculine"~ name nick would be cool and nice )

nick vincent -> NV -> envy this is the only lore i care about

Envy favorite weather is black hole so they have a possible chance to study it better, trying to sneak a telescope on the field

they 100% bat with a telescope! one of those realy big fat ones

NV is from a los angeli where steam power overtook electricity

maybe xe's never been remotely interested in blaseball statistics . . . until xe starts playing, and then suddenly it's kid in a candy shop time xD like "where has this BEEN all my life"

shamelessly tracing over old photos? more likely than you think

nicholas vincent: some taco: https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-hes-got-two-gif-15210789

envy watching the surge of immateria up from under, knowing they have class in 20 minutes

since everybody be asking "who?" when Nick Vincent gets brought up... is it too late to work something owl-related into the lore?

it's just like That One Person who you forget when casually trying to remember some people

"uhh there's the horse, eaty, dog, squatch, rat, tree, fancy, mystery machine, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" "what about NV" "who?" "Nick Vincent, they replaced grunkle sans" "oh, OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH shoot how'd I forget"

mang, I can imagine NV hearing about hellmouth adaptations and The Tug and being like what do you mean don't come here that sounds awesome i wanna experience that and then they get like a lil orbity solar system and is all wow this rules and has a hard time distinguishing The Tug from just like, positive memories.

"Don't visit the Hellmouth" "But what if I did anyway," they say, donning a heat-resistant hazmat suit and climbing directly into the hellmouth

also the sun and the hellmouth kinda face off against each other in many ways so like, sandy, who is an avatar of the sun kinda, doesn't have an adaptation so if envy was connected to the sun xe might not get one

it could also just be like. they Stared Into The Infinite like just so happened to be out stargazing or something when the grand unslam happened (that game ran LATE so it's not out of the question) when all of a sudden the sky fractures and leaves a permanent imprint...

if you wanna go for the sun eye that probably makes more sense as deal with sun 2 cause we have a precedent for it and I think it would be really interesting to have envy who did that with sun 2 versus sandy who had it with sun 1, but depending on your canon may have regained a connection to sun 2 idk thouGhts

sandy having this weird connection to NV not certain whether they're supposed to be buds or enemies or ??

NV in the Shadows during the first black hole like 'this isn't a big deal if anyone needs a replacement sun hmu i have maps of hundreds of them'

oh what if it's like, reverse order unslam happens > NV sees it in the night sky, begins studying blaseball cosmology > discovers sun2, makes a deal that affects them (sun eyes, orbiting planets) > trying to figure out What Just Happens leads them to hellmouth, the hellmouth community college > runs off to los angeles to study all the rest of the suns > in season 13, they take the sun dial with them for remote work study not realizing it's like An Important Beam Artifact

what if what they saw during the grand unslam was actually some sort of divine vision that gave them the exact design to construct it ️

sky breaks into a million pieces and some unknowable force drops a bunch of weird prophetic knowledge on xem and they're like "yeah idk what a sun 2 is i wanna build this now" back in like season 3

NV does keep a massive orrery stored and constantly being worked on soooo Sun 2 might have been mapped out before it showed up??

maybe the concept of orbit actually was destroyed and the rings and moons that should be circling around xir head instead just loosely float or glitch out or appear to move through them

OMG i just thought of like ok i donno h ow attached anyone else is to like, cute mini planets/moons orbiting xem but like, they're at bat and they accidentally bean like the minimoon way down past third base and they apologize to it after the game

sandy does have a tendency to adopt all the cool younger folks in the league. I can totally see her mentoring or at least supporting NV since they're both avatars of the sun

dang something about sandoval crossing, avatar of the og sun, supporting and being a bit of a mentor to the avatar of sun 2 ?? aesthetically cool as heck

what if the sun dial was From moab ?? and NV remembers it too now..

gosh there's something so poetic sandy mentoring the next generation and passing on this history of the role to the next person.. nvm sandy would adore NV no way they'd be enemies

i like envy being more of a helpless observer, something about studying the cosmos is how small it makes you feel, and i don't wanna diminish that

so. NV started their US studies in Moab and was there when the Hellmouth collapsed, but eventually moved away to LA after the Unslam to study that, had a vision from the sun to go back to the Hellmouth and got the Sun Dial + remembered Moab while meeting up with Sandy?? is this the timeline we're working with here - bc adaptation could go anywhere in that range too i think ?

here is proposal: NV grows up in south america falls in love with the skies and stars, wants to become an astronomer / astrophysicist / general scientist moves to Moab to begin study, in part becasue of radio astronomy that happens there (ref https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telescope_Array_Project Unslam happens, they are granted knowledge of sun2 by watching the cracks as it happens sun2 gives them a blessing, they discover / travel to the hellmouth to try to figure out how her memories of moab don't align with everyone else's they meet sandy, talk about the sun / sun2 travel to los angeli to explore sun3+ meet al pastor, becomes a blaseball player for blaseball reasons

undergrad work in Moab, masters in hellmouth, PHD in los angelii

NV vulnerable to scams not because they're dumb or scatterbrained but because of a very strong "even bad things are great learning experiences" ethos

That science mindset of "Yes something bad happened but does it happen every time"

So they have a kind of an optimism, not "things won't go wrong", but "you learn more when things do go wrong, and so far i've been fine (except maybe my arm did hurt an awful lot and it's still kind of awkward at times)"

it does have a working telescope though, so i really like the like... "THERE ARE CRACKS IN THE SKY" "LOOK AT THEM" "ALL OUR TELESCOPES ARE IN HAWAII" "USE THE FAKE ONE"

not fake, but like... youknow. but yeah UCLA exists and xe could have come here for xir masters. What if it's like a coming home thing? Like, okay, xe grew up in south america, xe almost certainly would have passed through Los Angeles on her way up - maybe xe had a few days here as a layover or whatever, and went to the observatory as part of her first day in the states when xe was like, 18 and on xir own for the first time.

NV wears jorts