A channel to coordinate plans about NaN, voting or otherwise. Please refer to the Vibes Poll (in the pins) to get started, and remember that pitches should still end up getting posted in #voting-pitches
This survey is to get an idea of what the general team opinion of NaN is, as well as how we should approach them from a strategic point of view. We hope to use the results of this survey to inform the team's strategy for at least the upcoming Season 20.
Submissions to this survey will be made public to Tacos fans in the Discord, but are anonymo...
there is no longer a Will that alternates a player;; there is a blessing, but odds are NaN will not be on our team during the election, it would hurt us more than help
okay to try very generally to summarize those poll results:
- there is a pretty broad consensus on it being okay to use a will on NaN and at least reasonable openness to using both, with very little resistance to doing anything
- the most approved positive plan is fairly clearly Reform Flickering, with very few disagrees; Reform Roamin' and Shadow have mildly positive responses, and Boost Stats has people mostly feeling neutral
- there is i would say decisive consensus on NOT trying to get NaN back if they flicker and NOT buying funkos to avoid echo-based problems
- the biggest area that doesn't seem to be covered one way or another here is how to deal with trying to use a will before flickering could happen vs. at endseason
does anyone disagree particularly with any part of that?(edited)
since reform wimdies are "safe" I have a feeling the NaN strategy is going to end up being "wimdy it before feedback happens if you want to, and if it's enough we won't drown it out with a second will"
so!! Reason reforming flickering is preferred is because it gives a happy medium- It allows their tour to continue in the shadows, which will buff them every time they roam!! So they can do their world tour AND get strong
Yeah. Like this season is a calm season and flickering can end up having like 5-6 roster changes if NaN is particularly swap happy. Which is always taken to kindly in initial reactions
We have some patterns, still it's fine to be worried cause we don't have a hard rule for mod re-rolls. That said I don't think you can say Roaming is a better target over Flickering in the case where rerolls are specifically determined because both mods have extreme versions: Super Roaming and Flliiiiickerrring.
So its up to us to choose which mod we want to remove by nature of which is better to remove, not what it'll turn into.
If we do decide on doing something before the feedback games, we would want to have lots of votes in it. Which means.... Not rushing #stadium-committee and #gift-shop-discussion
...we wonder what happens if two reform wills fire on the same mod
like if we reformed flickering and whatever team NaN flickered to also tried doing that(edited)
what renovations are available may affect how many votes we're willing to commit to a NaN will, though the past couple of seasons have been stinkers for renos
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...we wonder what happens if two reform wills fire on the same mod
like if we reformed flickering and whatever team NaN flickered to also tried doing that (edited)
I mean, ideally we should be able to just limit ourselves to two renos right off the bat no? Unless we get like, the god renos that are exactly what we wanted and more...
so, just to look for a hypothetical look at every Will with NaN which hasnt been pitched:
What can happen + my opinion
EE: there is usually like no one in range for NaN, also.... no?
Swap: this would dunk them into the shadows and boost them. but is RISKY as an emergency vote because it would send our shadows player to wherever NaN is.
Move: moondial yay, but also, as an emergency vote, it would end with us essentially stealling a player for no replacement
Take: a soundproof item would be nice, but re-roll is nicer
Shadow In/Re: not applicable
Reform: been pitched, lets do it!
Magnify: oh this is helpful as a batter, and not helpful if NaN ends up pitching
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so
personally
Reform is the only one I am willing to do on a Wednesday.
I am willing to do Swap or Move if NaN ends the season with us
dang i guess that raises a problem, the problem being that if we vote to reform flicker and NaN ends up on the tacos then we wont be able to guarantee they get a gun because we'll have voted to reform flicker
if a player flickers with a soundproof player, the swap doesn't happen and the non-soundproof player gets a stat hit
it's why NaN's stats are so bad in the first place
NaN tried to feedback swap with Hotbox Sato, on the Shoe Thieves, in season... 13? Hato has Soundproof from Headphones, and NaN got "tangled in the feedback" and lost stars without moving teams. We don't know tbe specifics of how it works
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if a player flickers with a soundproof player, the swap doesn't happen and the non-soundproof player gets a stat hit
it's why NaN's stats are so bad in the first place
here is how i think i feel about this
-NaN is cool. i think they're neat, you think they're neat. we are all love NaN
-flickering is obnoxious and we should reform it. items are temporary but we have at least temporary insurance against Unstable with the sunglasses.
-the Tacos are currently tops in the ILB with NaN on the roster. bumping them down isn't an emergency. this isn't like when we had seven batters and three of them were automatic outs.
-we have a few other ideas for how to spend wills that have support right now, mostly revolving around allowing our Son to rise--after all, we did spend an infuse on them--and bringing another roster regular down for a potential infuse of their own, because a couple of them could really benefit from it (which the vibes poll was at best ambivalent on doing for NaN, and they would likely need a lot more buffs to make it worth)
-barring shenanigans we arent in the running for free wills. we get 2
-NaN might roam anyway. doing anything else has a will opportunity cost vs. something that can help two tacos.
with all that considered, if our only NaN-related move is to reform flicker i think that's fine for us.
I get your concern but if we shadow NaN off someone else's team they already lost their player, it just means they don't get a random replacement... which honestly isn't that exciting
We have two things going on
1) What to vote on before tacos first feedbcak game
2) What to vote for in the usual time we vote
If we do all our voting on Wednesday, and NaN leaves. We are going to have a bunch of folks with money from tunripstonks etc who would outvote the split wednesday votes cause well... what else are they gonna do. Free roam tacos after a full week prob can outvote taco stand in half a week.
Which is why I think that the sensible thing for the Wednesday vote is to choose a single will and go hard on it. And as many folks have indicated, reform flickering appears to be the best option for this
yeah, if NaN is here Saturday, all of the options are there:
add more to reform flickering
give NaN a gun
reform roaming
magnify NaN
send to shadows with or without replacement
23:06
and they can each pass through the burrito system as if NaN were "typical", post taco feedback games(edited)
I do think that reforming roaming is just straight up not a good idea? given that flicker is more disruptive and roamin could actually be helpful to a degree
I kind of think that the early reform flickering is not going to work, and might make it difficult to get a consensus at the end of the week. But, I guess we can try, anyway. This is a game, and NaN is worth it(edited)
yeah, it is a gamble we are playing, and we saw it work once with jaylen emergency vote. but it can fail
23:09
if we do emergency flickering, we need to just kinda adjust the burrito that we operate under "we have 1 will, not 2", which is something we have done in past emergency votes (honse retreival)(edited)
schedule to real time conversion
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sorry, i didnt do the aussie conversions (edited)
whats the advantage of emergency reforming flickering? that doesnt protect us from NaN feedbacking away from us this season, it would just keep them on whatever team they feedbacked to
it doesn't really do anything concrete for us. all it definitely does is stop them from repeatedly ping-ponging all over the league in future seasons(edited)
NaN is inherently disruptive in their current state. we are just reducing the level of disruptiveness.
It is likely that they dont stay with us, similar to Jaylen's flickering reroll from the garages happening while she was on the mechs
an emergency move to shadows could also be an option, but it does take away the option to use move elsewhere for actual strats + if someone wimdy unshadows them we're back where we started(edited)
exactly. And because theyβre an echo people want them out, as evident by the Lovers having a major portion of off discord votes to unshadow them(edited)
I think, whatever emergency vote there is. It is a single will.
I am willing to do emergency move. But that will leave whichever player they end on, a player down without replacement. It also eliminates the ability to use MOVE as a will if we decide to do that with someone else on the roster. I dont see us requiring REFORM for anyone but NaN
Iβll say this with 100% upmost confidence- no other team is going to reform their flickering. Iβve been with both as NaNbassador, thereβs frankly other issues the FFs and Worms have to deal with(edited)
and i think we would be more than fine throwing folks a bone using reform here and then having one will to use on a shadow or a magnify or something(edited)
I think that reform flickering is the best move. I'm happy they're here and roaming doesn't always trigger so they could stay, but flickering is just a bad time for everyone.
hi i fluted over for the season so ill be dumping votes in before first swap chance!
reforming flickering is all-around a good idea. feedback swaps can really mess a team up, which is why the garages shadowed jaylen until we were able to reform her; even if NaN ends up on another team this season, it's still a good idea to go for it to lessen damage down the line for the entire league, and like aubz said other teams they might end up on will likely have other problems to deal with so NaN would be low priority.
wrt fifth base NaN
Id also point out that the talkers and wiki team have done a lot of work in setting Jesús up for easy handovers and movement over the past siesta in a way which we have not, yes the NaNbassador system has worked, but this is an extra level of effort which quite frankly, we dont need.
I have negative interest in making NaN move even more
plus it kinda feels like, pushing them out of the spotlight to stick a taco in there. which is something people have complained about in the past. its not a good look for us.(edited)
yeah, early look at the vibes survey we would have to identify the player, and talk to the team about it. Item theft no communication seems to be middling opinion wrt tacos
I think the only reason this wouldn't work now is that we kinda sorta already have a lot of votes logged for Reform and trying to change the plan now would set ourselves up to get something we don't want
No flickering NaN with soundproof is not an improvement (but it is in fact a statement)
Flickering NaN with soundproof is a way to improve NaN, but it is as temporary as items are(edited)
the idea of flickering soundproof NaN is that there is currently nothing that prevents roaming other than force items, and so we should deal w that first
1) cause they're roamin' so we don't get to keep em anyway
2) SOMEONE out there clearly wants them out, because they were in the shadows before and that's how we got into this in the first place
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1) cause they're roamin' so we don't get to keep em anyway
2) SOMEONE out there clearly wants them out, because they were in the shadows before and that's how we got into this in the first place
Update on the mytical improving player
It cant be a theif
There was no feedback in S11. they got the blessing in S10 elections
It would be an expansion era event. not discipline.
Unless there was a soundproof player before the theives
so, as it stands, early vote options are:
Gun NaN: Item Move a soundproof item to NaN (which requires some research and diplomacy)
Flick it off: Reform Flickering
Gun NaN:
This is as temporary as items are. But, it will lead to NaN improving with each failed feedback. It does require some extra diplomacy. Current frontrunner item, Bonty Mullock's of the Lovers - Soundproof Clutch Sunglasses. But. IMPROVE NAN and REDUCE SWAPS in a single will.
Flick it off:
This is simple and easy. we reform NaN's flickering and it is one less thing for NaN to be doing each season. This is permanent and tacos only.
Tacos are likely to not be the benefiecery of either of these. but whatever. minimize disruption(edited)
sooo um... cant get told yes unless we ask. Do the lovers want to like... spend their will and send NaN the soundproofing from their end? this can be done at any time
Iβm really sorry if this has already been discussed, but if NaN leaves the team, wouldnβt reforming flickering just make it less likely for them to end up on the tacos?
21:15
Or do we just want to stop NaN mixing up the whole league?
flickering is very destructive. if NaN returned to our team via flickering, they'd be sending away someone else beloved as a replacement. which would suck.
they arrived to our team via Roamin', which is at least not destructive.
mhmm! But theyβd still roam to other shadows. I think we wait until they come back to our shadows stronger (or the lovers who are also very willing to take them)
In terms of what it takes for NaN to permanently stay on a team, roaming and flickering would have to be fixed. Our thinking is that flickering is a bigger issue as it's more disruptive to teams. Chances are we can't keep NaN regardless because we can't handle both at once, so we're holding off on further NaN improvement/security talk until current plans are done
The ideal plan imo (only my opinion) is:
1) Reform flickering and shadow them
2) They start a new leg of their world tour in the shadows, safe from static
3) They get boosted each time they shadow roam
4) When they land on the lovers or tacos, we grab em back out and reform roamin
5) NaN is now good, confident, and theyβve finally found themself and thus have learned to navigate life as a post-human anomaly(edited)
yeah i'm.. reluctant to spend two wills on NaN but I guess if they're still on our team at the end of the season we'll need to do something about their spot on our line-up, might as well shadow
i cant think of any better ways to do it, but for a while ive felt like the occasional polls we have of the form "do we do this thing or not" are pretty leading
10:37
i feel like theyre almost always going to come out as a yes, pretty much regardless of what the proposal is
10:38
thats not saying that i dont support reforming flickering, and we should follow the poll here
usually ideas dont even reach the poll stage without pretty strong support. this one might be a lil special case tho like aubz's pitch hit the upnut threshhold real fast, this is probably something we collectively want to do (or are at least content doing)
we have seen public polls split more closely in the past, a few reno polls come to mind.
however, a decision making model we use a lot on the stand is "create space for the most involved people to discuss" + "take the results from the small focused discussion to the wider stand to make sure they're not off base from the general team"
it let's people with a lot of investment participate while letting everyone feel they have a part in the final say, even if the final poll is more of a formality sometimes
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we have seen public polls split more closely in the past, a few reno polls come to mind.
however, a decision making model we use a lot on the stand is "create space for the most involved people to discuss" + "take the results from the small focused discussion to the wider stand to make sure they're not off base from the general team"
it let's people with a lot of investment participate while letting everyone feel they have a part in the final say, even if the final poll is more of a formality sometimes
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The %s are out of total votes, t...
realistically I'm not that concerned with our wills tracker being visible to visitors this season, there's a lot of players who are on other teams who fluted over to contribute to this.
we have seen public polls split more closely in the past, a few reno polls come to mind.
however, a decision making model we use a lot on the stand is "create space for the most involved people to discuss" + "take the results from the small focused discussion to the wider stand to make sure they're not off base from the general team"
it let's people with a lot of investment participate while letting everyone feel they have a part in the final say, even if the final poll is more of a formality sometimes
also in this particular case part of the specific goal was to make sure a few different subcategories of tacos were broadly happy with our direction on NaN for this election and i think the vibes poll + special discussion space got us to that
14:57
do we have any sort of general goal we want to hit here? like: how strongly should i be thinking about liquidating votes on this rn
I'm not dropping anything until Saturday night, the Sexton mid-week thing sort of showed that people vote heavy early on stuff like that, don't want to get caught with our pants down for the second will
dropped in 865 votes (and tracked them) which was the absolute most votes i could input while still betting on all the games; i will probably be able to add one more per game that occurs or so
i am very scared so i put exactly 17 votes into swapping NaN and dove, because if the sim pulls any then it owes us a wild wimdy of probability to fix it(edited)
Hereβs what needs to happen then. NaN stays with us next season, BUT another player roams onto our team. Then come reverb time, NaN commits more crime
Before I go back to sleep: reminder that shadowing NaN should be a high priority- If they roam, there is a ~50% chance they roam into a league with MaX and static out. (We got INCREDIBLY lucky this season with MaX and Ivy avoiding feedback)
I get that, but this will is also highly beneficial from a stats perspective as we get to pull a good player (son) from the shadows. Iβd view it more as a son will than a NaN will tbh.
We also voted pretty neutral on using two wills for NaN anyway, so regardless of whether this is a NaN will or a Son will itβs within possibility and close within current consensus
My personal preference from the non NaN wills is ensuring chell stays. NaN for Son will essentially improve the team as well. But there seems to be growing concern that chell is the the most valuable player in the league.
okay so that reverb game is at 11pm ET, 8pm PT barring spillover
subsequent eclipse game (day 89), should that come into play, is at 5am ET, 2amPT, again barring spillover
so, the way unstable works
if an unstable player gets incinerated, unstable chains to a random player in that game. but it is the weekly version of it, so it would be gone by the next end of blaseball week
we have 8 echo-able players on our team, one is chorby and one is elsewhere
so 1/8 chance of being chorb'd and 1/8 chance of just saying "no" unless mcdowell returns
it feels like we havent gotten a double incin due to a chain in a while. Was that just a day of ruby tuesday thing and they fixed it after the emergency siesta? or have we just been fortunate with the 2 additional incinerations of chorby soul and their funko pops?
it feels like we havent gotten a double incin due to a chain in a while. Was that just a day of ruby tuesday thing and they fixed it after the emergency siesta? or have we just been fortunate with the 2 additional incinerations of chorby soul and their funko pops?
We haven't but i got the impression it was dependent on when the first incin happens
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it feels like we havent gotten a double incin due to a chain in a while. Was that just a day of ruby tuesday thing and they fixed it after the emergency siesta? or have we just been fortunate with the 2 additional incinerations of chorby soul and their funko pops?
Sorry what i meant specifically is: we don't know if the sim goes proc unstable -> pick unstable player, or if it checks each unstable player separately
HEY YALL! Just making sure that those who have this channel unmuted, but have muted the majority of the burrito have voted in the internal tacos poll from #strategy-announcements . I have copy pasted the msg below:
οΈ Aaalright! Season's not quite over for us yet, but it's time to vote on this season's strategy!
β° The poll will close either 24 hours from now (this was posted shortly after MVPs) , or a little while after we drop out of the postseason. Whichever comes first!
οΈ Link to the poll:
https://forms.gle/F5hAqXAK41PpE9W39(edited)
Which pitches should we incorporate into the strategy?
Links to the original pitches, including a full description and rationale are included in #voting-pitches.
If Blaseball happens and the leading pitches no longer apply, Tacos reps will use this poll, the Taco Community Survey, and any additional polling needed to come up with a final plan.
^ it's also very important to note one of the voting options is to cast votes for multiple wills to drown out any further unaligned votes like we saw for gift shop/stadium.
This is relevant because doing any spread wills (reduces chance of wimdies) does make it less likely for reform Flicker specifically to fire.
yeah if we have bad Move wills and we're going for Move ourselves, splitting votes off our "good" Move to other wills makes it more likely the "bad" Move fires(edited)
preventing EE is the more important bad will
if there is a bad will in moving a player within the tacos, so be it.
drowning out a potential EE is priority
this is true, but the type of people who would try to submit actively bad votes would probably do so in EE, revoke, or magnify (on a pitcher) because those ones do the most damage
i actually had an idea with this lore wise.
what if like...... Dove caused it? or something? and the alts are all digital doppelgangers. But the game engine couldn't handle NaN so they just got spit back out after being Scrombled
hi aubz i love that?
............. okay but what if . if wydov is ldav's digital doppelganger. does that mean that ldav would come back if wydov got alternated in that context(edited)
"After (X) years I finally set the record straight with lee davenport from the game... what do you mean I'm currently known legally as "wyatt dovenpart?" What even happened while I was gone?"
I remember that conversation too, I think the idea I was leaning towards was something like -- there aren't any other NaNs to exchange with? like the sequence of events that led to this person being created in the first place is pretty much mutually exclusive with being able to reach any other dimension where that also happened, otherwise there would be infinite infinite LA's and very bad things would have already happened by now that . . . didn't
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like whatever thing does the alt-ing wouldn't recognize NaN as a Wyatt Mason -- which there are plenty of -- it would recognize NaN as a NaN, which actually might not even be able to be removed from this universe? in that they are literally defined by a tear in this specific reality -- you can't remove a NaN any more than you can remove a hole in the road, sure you can fill it in but you can't just exchange it for another hole, there's nothing there to exchange, if that makes any sense at all?
Heyya! The two NaN based pitches only need 6 and 3 upnuts respectively (it might be 7 and 4 I can't remember if it counts restarter)
Toss an upnut on both or either of aquelon's pitches to make sure that a NaN based plan makes it to the next stage of the burrito
The pitches are titled
Loveable Bad period (shinfuse NaN)
If you love them let them go (srevoke NaN which will give them Odyssey and boosts upon each team move)(edited)
we are one upnut on Lovable Bad Player Era away from both NaN pitches getting to the next stage of the burrito! if you want to support NaN this election and prefer infuse to on an odyssey, give it your consideration!
i'm not able to vote this season myself (+ will be fluting back over next season), but i think it might be a good idea to hold off on shadow revoking NaN until next season to see if we get shadow alt in case something happens.
i'm not able to vote this season myself (+ will be fluting back over next season), but i think it might be a good idea to hold off on shadow revoking NaN until next season to see if we get shadow alt in case something happens.
Shadow Alternate Trust is an option for a blessing,,, which is why i am very very very strongly opposed to smashing the revoke button on NaN this season
hey was nawball doing anything with shadow revoke? we just got a pretty big dump of revoke votes that weren't tracked and we're just trying to figure out where they came from
damn that kinda blows. at least NaN getting revoked instead of alted isn't entirely disappointing now that we (think we) know we would have gotten nothing
Hi folks,
With NaN off on an Odyssey to The Breath Mints, we don't expect #nan-strategy to have much use for the foreseeable future, and plan to archive the channel once we reach Earlsiesta. Until then we will be increasing the slowmode in #nan-strategy from 15 seconds to 2 minutes.
Make sure to watch #announcements for updates on when we'll be starting up lore for these trades!
Thanks!
Before we throw this board in the Vault, I just wanna say: Breath Mints will take good care of our voidling, I sure won't let them forget they're there xD (not that they would anyway, they're wonderful with small character pieces like this one)