The Unlimited Taco Stand - stadium-soapbox

Welcome to Stadium Soapbox! This is a place for everyone to take a turn, have their say, and be heard. We're expecting that any live conversation we have is going to be a nightmare to backread, so the intent is this will be a place for people to catch up and join in. There's a 30 minute slowmode, so take your time! Reactions are on, so feel free to upnut upnut

if you agree with other's posts. However, please refrain from negative emojis. After this channel has been open for an hour, we'll open the floor in #voting-siesta for a discussion then open the final "official" poll. (edited)

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Stadiums are expected to open in the earlsiesta, at 9am PST. The Crabs' cost 1 million coins, and the prefab with the most coins will be chosen for the team Palmero: Settle in. Why go anywhere when you could stay home? Silverada: The sleek lines and open space scream speed. Douglass: Keep your loved ones safe with the leader in home field security. Hillcrest: A high-energy space you'll want to sink into. Twede: Keep things in front of you in this minimalist dream. Rodeo: Everything's a long ball in this cozy space-saver. Loge: Open air and easy access make this the perfect event space. Pine: Pitchers will go absolutely wild over the view. Boreal: High ceilings, tons of natural light. You could get lost in your own home.

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@strategy pings Hey all! Let's talk stadiums - please read the pins!

Loge, we have power hitters

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EDIT: I JUST MISSED BEING FIRST. PENSIVE. here's my actual entry Anyway. I am going to start with one I know is less popular due to the emoji poll, but I think it could be interesting: Hillcrest. First thing's first, Hillcrest is an actual place in San Diego. So uhh... Kinda close? I think?? I don't know California anatomy. There's also "High energy." One big part of the tacos' vibe is being energetic and having bright colors and a lively aesthetic. Check it. Total taco vibes. At the end of the day, we don't really know what the stadium effects might be, so we should vote on Vibes. For that reason, i think Hillcrest is a great option for Al Pastor Memorial Park. (edited)

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I'm not really sure what these do but if we want to really lean into church of dingers we should do rodeo (edited)

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speaking personally, I want to advocate for Hillcrest. High energy means more stuff happening, and more stuff means it's more fun to watch games. I also want to warn against rodeo specifically if you're trying to play strats - we're already really good at hitting dingers, and we just got wind sprints, so our baserunning isn't that bad. (edited)

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just on a surface level, Boreal sounds pretty infinite

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My general pitch for Rodeo: 1. By the descriptions Rodeo is far and away the one most indicative of supporting a home-run strategy. "Everything's a long ball" -- i.e. you can hit out easier because the boundaries of the park are smaller. (Loge conversely is likely to affect weather due to "open air" or improve partying/other procs due to "perfect event space") 2.

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I don’t have a complicated explanation but I think Hillcrest and Boreal are good vibes-wise. I also think that a lot of teams are going for rodeo (maybe boreal too?) so we might wanna stay away just for the sake of having some diversity

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Loge and Hillcrest are the two most interesting to me personally.

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EDIT: I JUST MISSED BEING FIRST. PENSIVE. here's my actual entry Anyway. I am going to start with one I know is less popular due to the emoji poll, but I think it could be interesting: Hillcrest. First thing's first, Hillcrest is an actual place in San Diego. So uhh... Kinda close? I think?? I don't know California anatomy. There's also "High energy." One big part of the tacos' vibe is being energetic and having bright colors and a lively aesthetic. Check it. Total taco vibes. At the end of the day, we don't really know what the stadium effects might be, so we should vote on Vibes. For that reason, i think Hillcrest is a great option for Al Pastor Memorial Park. (edited)

I can like, walk to Hillcrest from my current house

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THIRTY MINUTE SLOW MODE YALL. MAKE YOUR MESSAGES COUNT.

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no deep thoughts here, just echoing the comments re: hillcrest. if it works the way i’m reading it, i think it will make for even more exciting matches, and i’d love to see that!

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I want to second Hillcrest, I know people like Boreal but it might be counter to the Church of Dingers - and we don't want to lose players. Hillcrest seems good, especially cause we have wind sprints, as "sinkers" are a type of pitch that lean more towards balls getting fielding. I also think we could consider looking at Palmero or Silverada, Palermo because theres infinite home in the Los Angeli, and Silverada to double down on our baserunning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinker_(baseball) (edited)

Sinker (baseball)

In baseball, a sinker or sinking fastball is a type of fastball which has significant downward and horizontal movement and is known for inducing ground balls. Pitchers who use the sinker tend to rely on it heavily and do not need to change pitch speeds as much as other pitchers do because the sinking action induces weak bat contact. Other pitche...

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I like what other people are saying already, but I'd like to throw Douglass into the ring. Either it means we get better defense or our players have less of a chance of bad things happening to them. The former is an area would could stand to shore up a bit more, we let in a lot of runs against us. The latter is crucial for a small team like ours. Every negative impact hurts us way more than other teams. depending on how fast we reach 1 mil coins though, I might not be able to contribute, so I'll just leave this thought here and be Happy with whatever we get. (edited)

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Just want to mention the previous poll, which was a pretty close split between Boreal and Rodeo. (the close split is part of why we're taking this discussion so seriously) https://discord.com/channels/755276674915893309/785208606983323664/817862282641014824

.@ feather 💙 pinned a message to this channel. 08-Mar-21 07:50 PM

I know it doesn't sound like much, But Palmero definitely sounds fitting for our team. With how Good our team is having a nice relaxing stadium to match the relaxed team might be just the thing.

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I like Hillcrest, but also want to shout out Silverada, the sleek lines of which could make for some cool retro stylings. Yes, we've recently gained speed with our Wind Sprints - why not double down? What could go wrong?

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(manually upnutting all these is gonna ruin my emoji suggestions for the next week)

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Loge just sounds nice, with the "open air and easy access," but I'm down for hillcrest, palmero, or douglass too. Nothing stands out about the rest to me.

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my complete analysis: 1) Rodeo seems exciting, but we already hit the ball far enough to get dingers most of the time - what we need isn't a smaller park, it's a park where contact is easier for more hits that can turn into dingers 2) buuuuuuut I have no idea which if any of these stadiums (stadia?) would improve contact 3) Boreal seems very large (very Infinite) but on the other hand it also appears to flat-out counteract our batting and pitching strategy, so I'd advise against it 4) Hillcrest 5) that is all

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I'm for Hillcrest, it sounds like a Taco thing to pick

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Hillcrest is also the gay district in San Diego for anyone unaware. Pretty gentrified at this part but still has a lot of character. Rodeo is fun because there is a famous rodeo drive in LA. Pretty ritzy though. All that said: it's not like this name actually shows up anywhere. Just the symbol does, so I think we shouldn't be focusing too much on that versus what we think the stat results might be. The best stadium imo is one that plays to our strengths over other teams; if we think of the stadium as a multiplier of existing states, Rodeo makes sense because we already Ding a lot more than most other teams and thus our actual outcome is greater. Douglass would presumably double-down on our anti-capitalist stat and prevent base steals (and perhaps additional baserunning?), but it seems much more situational (edited)

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MY LOGE MANIFESTO: I voted for Loge in the poll and I would like to explain why. It is my belief that the tacos are first and foremost a team about stuff HAPPENING. Before and especially since the Grand Unslam, we have chosen to take a front row seat in the bizarre and wonderful happenings of this game, and I would like for this to continue. I believe that any expectation of specific statistical bonuses from eac of these stadiums isn’t the best thing to count on, and that as a cople people have said already, we should go for the “vibes”. The vibe of events and cool, interesting things happening on our doorstep? Immaculate. (edited)

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it's really hard for me to decide personally! lots of these suit our vibes well. Hillcrest works because we really are just extremely high-energy at our peak, Rodeo is fantastic because CHURCH OF DINGERS BAYBEEEE, Boreal is cool because "you could get lost in your own home" really fits the vibe of the Infinite Los Angeli.... there's too many good options!!! I don't have a strong opinion towards any one stadium, but I think we should avoid Douglass because that sounds like a coward's pick, and avoid Twede because we are anything but minimalist (except for when it comes to our roster size) (edited)

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i can't decide between Hillcrest or Rodeo, i like them the best, and i'll go with whatever we eventually land on.

Whoops, did not realize that was a necessary permission and toggled it off by accident. Pluralkit should work now, huge apologies if you're trapped in slowmode hell.

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whatever effect al pastor memorial stadium has will probably happen to both teams, and since the descriptions are extremely vague... this choice should all be on vibes. go read aubz's post instead of mine. hillcrest. gogo.

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Im going to argue against Rodeo. If we hit harder than everyone then we want the fence to be farther, not closer. If youre good at hitting dingers and you move the fence closer then you give teams that are worse at hitting home runs but better at making contact a chance to beat you at your own game. Im digging Palmero vibes though. Idk. Just seems nice.

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i dont have a lot of thoughts bc i usually prefer to stay out of strategy discussions due to over-attachment to our players but rn id like to put another hat in the ring for douglass for exactly that reason. "Keep your loved ones safe". i, for one, want natha to be the first AND last tacos incineration. i will say i like the sound of hillcrest, lodge, and boreal as well tho (edited)

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I like Loge because it seems like a choice not as many other teams are going for and the "event space" bit has potential to be very interesting. I like Hillcrest for the same reason but less so because "sink into" has weird vibes

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Since a lot of the discussion affects team lore, i'm going to ping @lore pings also - please come talk stadiums with us! If you have both, sorry about the double pings!

theres a coffee place in ventura called palermo edit: im aware there's a 30 minute slowmode i just really wanted to share this information (edited)

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my main stadiums i'd back and why * Hillcrest is near Los Angeles so it makes sense canonically to have the stadium use that * Loge being an "event space" makes it sound like the perfect place for a taco cook-off. and it's also tacos-like to sacrifice stats for good lore (on some level) (edited)

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i think i am leaning towards boreal, but i want to pitch (haha pun intended) the option of pine-- oh dunk, pitch pine. anyway-- because we are the team with the most pitcher per pitcher. our pitching is legendary!* *not legendary for being good, but legendary for literally every other reason. grand unslam. snackrifice. pm. sexton. absolute legends, the lot of them. but also, boreal tho

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not having any idea of what these options really mean, i want to go by what is most thematically and ...vibe...aciously?...Los Angeles. Palmero: LA is very much a go-out-not-settle-in kinda place 0/10 Silverada: kind of evocative of olvera street. maybe? 6/10 Douglas: seems more suited to redacted 0/10 Hillcrest: we are not san diego 0/10 Twede: artsy sounding? LA has art. 5/10 Rodeo: casuals will say rodeo dr but real ones will say rodeo rd off obama blvd in west LA 10/10 Loge: LA Historic Park? maybe not the BEST event space, but on brand 8/10 Pine: kind of a stretch, but have you ever seen the view from club level behind home plate at Dodger Stadium? 7/10 Boreal: there is nothing BOREAL about los angeles 0/10

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I like Douglass because of Douglass Fir trees and Frederick Douglass the slavery abolitionist. It’s unclear if Fredrick Douglass was also anti capitalist, I’m not a historian. Anyway I have no idea about the strategic values, just wanted to say my bit

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(no one saw that wheerer instead of an upnut. please imagine a flustered feather reaching for a box of upnuts only to pull out a wheerercrawler and like, gently throwing it across the room)

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Strategy wise, Twede to me sounds like it's a defensive dream, and since we both have mediocre defense and power hitters (so our opponent's defense being better wont matter as much, i think) then that could benefit us a lot

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I am a fan of Rodeo. LA has traditionally had two streets named Rodeo (though one is now Obama), and it seems to be cluing a stadium with a smaller outfield (meaning more HomeRuns). That's a fun thing for baseball all the time. I excitedly curious about Loge, Twede, and Hillcrest. People make great points about them! I am torn about Boreal because it seems to be cluing sun2/blackhole weather which makes betting more annoying. On the other hand, I never bet against the Tacos anyway, so who cares if the estimates are accurate? I am meh about Silverada, Palmero, and Douglass (because they sound boring or too "safe"). I am against Pine. Pine seems to be cluing wild pitches, and none of the wild-pitch mechanics are ones that bring me joy.

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here's my 2 cents hard pass on Twede bc tacos are anything but minimalist we are maximally maximalist the ground in Al Pastor Memorial Stadium is ground beef the tacos are literally unlimited we are infinite

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i forgot the ground is ground beef, that's gotta be uncomfortable for vegans

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FTR "Boreal" is literally the word for places where it's super wintery all the time so I think that's a pretty bad vibe with LA lol

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I'm going with Hillcrest as my "most preferred mechanical choice". Over seasons our roster is going to keep changing. It seems like energy is something that will help us no matter our lineup or rotation. My "most preferred lore choice" is Loge. As somebody else said, the idea of infinite LA's joining together in an open and inviting space sounds exactly right. Though the real Infinite choice is "equally all stadium choices" but that probably isn't possible.

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I want to push against Hillcrest, because the description says its a place you'll wanna "sink into". Sinkers are a type of pitch which leads to a lot of ground ball, something we've had a problem with in the past! I want things to happen so I want Loge I think.

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I just want to point out: If we are imagining these benefits, we also have to imagine whether or not another team will gain those benefits better than us. Now this isn't something for me to talk about as im rather new, but figured it should be mentioned. Also let the lazy team chill: Palmero

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Rodeo - tacos are natural cozy space savers and long ball = DINGERS Loge - open air is perfect for LA, event space for activities is a nice bonus the "you'll want to sink into" part of Hillcrest gives me uneasy vibes tbh

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Further thoughts: Please keep in mind that any benefits from the stadiums (except for palmero probably) also will affect our opponents. We have a defense problem right now, so anything that makes them hit/run better is probably not gonna end well for us. Palmero seems kinda meh for us if it does what I think (more home games, if opponents also have palmero, probably just uses the current home vs away method) Reiterating that Douglass will probably be good for us with either interpretation of how it could help. Also, renovations will be a thing, and I can't help but wonder if it's going to be more targeted stat changes rather than just swapping from one of these to another. I feel like these are just the starting points for our stadium's stats, and the renovations will let us fine tune things later. Also, on the Hillcrest is near LA topic.... Rodeo is iconic LA.

And I think making dingers even harder would be good for us. (edited)

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After reading all these posts, my top pick is still Loge and my second is Hillcrest, just going off the names/vibe. Loge sounds like a fun, chill event space and Hillcrest is apparently a real place in california? Plus it's high energy

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(speaking personally): I'm getting kind of wary of the "a place to sink into" clause on hillcrest? I think that it's fair to be concerned about that, we do hit a lot of grounds. Also, last time we talked stadiums "You could really get lost in your own home" from Boreal seemed to resonate with a lot of people, so I wonder what's changed since then?

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Has it been 30 minutes? I think it's been 30 minutes. Anyway, my original post was about hillcrest, but I'd also love to see Loge. If it DOES increase chaos, i'm all for it. The idea of more chaos is perfect with the unslam and our team history, so I'd also love to see it! :)

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Boreal's description has extremely good vibes with the Infinite Angeli. we'll maybe be able to plan in future seasons to get specific buffs, as after this we will see what a lot of them do (maybe!), but for now, let's go for theming? on that front, Luge seems vibe-friendly, but more feedbacks and reverbs may come as a result. Boreal seems safer and more fun

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Aight, you may continue to post your thoughts in this channel, but I'm opening up #voting-siesta for more active discussion! Thank you!

Rodeo needs to be off the table IMO. A stadium that makes home runs easier helps our opponents more than it helps us. Boreal seems like it's almost the exact opposite, and makes home runs harder. Probably nerfs a HR-heavy team like us more than others. Loge being the "perfect event space" might mean that the weather effects pop up more often? Could be dangerous. Ultimately, we want to pick a stadium that's going to make us harder to beat at home. Based on the descriptions, I'm leaning toward Palmero or Douglass.

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Loge being "perfect event space" makes me think of party time buffs

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There's a logic error somewhere with home runs being easier and home runs being harder both being bad for us

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Are these vibes only? Do we know of any mechanical benefits to the options yet?

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we think silverado has something to do with more steals being attempted

reminder that this channel will stay on 30 minute slowmode and live discussion has moved to #voting-siesta !

I think his argument is that we stand to gain little from a HR boost given how much we already do home runs but at the same time weakened home runs being what we rely on might mess us up more, sort of little to gain from a buff and a lot to lose from a nerf

here as a mod: we do not currently know stadium effects, or if stadiums will have an effect at all.

i think it'd be very strange if it didn't affect things though

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We haven't seen like, "big effects" like - specific things happening

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I think his argument is that we stand to gain little from a HR boost given how much we already do home runs but at the same time weakened home runs being what we rely on might mess us up more, sort of little to gain from a buff and a lot to lose from a nerf

this is exactly it, we would benefit from boosting hitting generally a lot more than from boosting power-hitting specifically. similarly a team that relies on power as much as we do would really suffer from a nerf to power. just to overstate the obvious... we still dont have more than a guess as to whether any of these do those things... but if we could target hitting at all vs. hitting dingers, we should target hitting at all.

Home runs being easier in your park is good if youre better at slugging than the other team, bad if they're better that's it. Would be real bad to take a park that makes homers harder for our team, though, you'd rather lean into a strength (edited)

featherwings#4879 asks: React below with your final stadium preference(s)! When it come time to vote, we'll strongly encourage everyone to contribute for the leading stadium. However, we're also expecting that since we're a large team and 1 million coins isn't a lot, please be aware that there's still a chance something unexpected happens - if so, that's okay, we'll vibe. tacobaco

: Palmero

: Silverada

: Douglass

: Hillcrest

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.@ feather 💙 pinned a message to this channel. 08-Mar-21 08:59 PM

Please react all stadiums you would be happy with!

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Palmero: Settle in. Why go anywhere when you could stay home? Silverada: The sleek lines and open space scream speed. Douglass: Keep your loved ones safe with the leader in home field security. Hillcrest: A high-energy space you'll want to sink into. Twede: Keep things in front of you in this minimalist dream. Rodeo: Everything's a long ball in this cozy space-saver. Loge: Open air and easy access make this the perfect event space. Pine: Pitchers will go absolutely wild over the view. Boreal: High ceilings, tons of natural light. You could get lost in your own home.

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We'll put the cutoff for the poll one hour before earlsiesta, so we can make an announcement and get the word out. If there's a tie... uh... I'll personally be the tiebreaker because right now I'm okay with every option and that's just like me changing my vote iunno

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theres a coffee place in ventura called palermo edit: im aware there's a 30 minute slowmode i just really wanted to share this information (edited)

they also have gelato and fudge there, it's a really good place. check it out if you're ever in the area.

The unlimited taco stand is the fmee6ing

posting channel Will told me to say this, yell at him not me

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I really wanna highlight "boreal" for the line "you could get lost in your own home". It really feels like the conception of al pastor memorial park as the nexus and cultural hub of a thousand Los Angelis. And like going home from a game you're liable to take Gold Red Yellow Line rather than Gold Red Blue Line and end up in the Los Angeli where everything is the same except judges wear clown noses and clowns wear judge robes, and your parallel-roommates are like "oh my gosh yeah, happened to me last week, but for the frog dimension! have dinner with us before you go home!" and you trade stories with yourself about the frog dimension I don't have as good of a sense what it does in the way the descriptions of the others, but I think we should be the ones to explore. If anybody should get lost in our own stadium, it's us. edit: and regarding climate; infinite los angeli, some of them gotta be ice cities built on the north pole is all im sayin (edited)

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On the topic of boreal I kinda agree with everyone. On one hand "boreal" doesn't sound very Los Angelas-y but the name aside the flavour text on it IS very Los Angeli-y

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Also, i want LA ski resort please

LA ski resort except its just longboarding

i really want to emphasize that the names themselves appear to have no appearance on the actual game, so we should really just stick to the flavor text and purported stat effects. the icon for the name we choose will show up, but I don't think we'll ever see "Rodeo" or "Boreal" again after we do this (edited)

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names are part of flavor text, aren't they?:

nope. they don't appear for the crabs. it's just the prefab design. after they build the prefab and you start modifying it, it really ain't that old design anymore, is it? the description seems to match with the effects we're seeing on the crabs though. (edited)

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oh wait whoops this is the soapbox channel not #voting-siesta

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That's an excellent point - the name doesn't matter, but the icon does, and i personally think Loge and Boreal have the coolest looking icons

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is it just me or does the rodeo icon kinda look like a microphone... uh oh i didn't want to get attached to more options

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oh no it DOES

Not much to add to the great points people have been making about Boreal. The description is really aligned with how people have conceived Al Pastor post-Unslam. The “get lost in your own home” line feels like it could have been directed at us.

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Just looking at icons.. Palmero: Clearly some kind of waveform, maybe vibes? Maybe you have better vibes at home and worse away, but vibes' actual mechanical purpose currently is.. unremarkable if anything as far as I've heard. The description just makes it sound like you have more home games, but that could be a boon or a bust depending on how it actually statistically lines up with our team. Silverado: Looks like an arrow, presumably makes baserunning better. We did just boost our baserunning but I'm not sure how we compare with our rivals if we remain good. Douglas: Looks like a baseball diamond with extra bases? I'm seeing the center as the mound. Could just add extra bases or otherwise make baserunning harder, but the "keep your loved ones safe" might just mean that you're less likely to encounter weather effects like reverb/incineration/flooding and the overall icon is just meant to evoke fortress-like safety (assuming it affects the "fortification" stat). Hillcrest: The rectangle could be a dugout, but I don't know how that could play into the game mechanically. Twede: description and appearance make it sound like it could be make it harder to steal bases. The "pitcher's mound" is a brighter color, and the pitcher is responsible for noticing and stopping steals, so that would make sense. Rodeo: I really just think it's supposed to be a ball with a lot of power. Dinger-related, but it's hard to know how it will work on the stat-line: if it just makes it easier to hit homers in general, that probably works in favor by increasing our odds of hitting them. If it just lowers the slugging stats needed to hit homers, that is going to mostly help teams with worse sluggers. I feel like the former is probably more likely Pine: sounds like it just boosts pitching. Maybe makes it easier to get strikes/strikeouts since it seems to be a ball coming in hot down the center Boreal: the description is spooky, I can't figure out what the icon is supposed to really "be". (edited)

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Alright. Up at 2 am, and here are my thoughts. I agree with going off vibes. There’s not a whole lot of data on how the ballparks work mechanically. My top choices would be Hillcrest and Boreal. I would echo a lot of things other people have been saying. I just want to point out the language of Hillcrest. “Sink into” feels a lot like “sink your teeth into” which fits the unlimited tacos vibes as well as potential lore for yummy. “Sink into” also makes it feel like you are getting stuck there which feels appropriate for an unlimited team. Just some thinks from super tired morning brain.

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I'm really resonating with that "get lost in your own home" vibe while simultaneously being wide open that Boreal has. It feels like a complete oxymoron and feels very much like us.

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While Loge seems to be a good place for weather event, I think Boreal is the best hope to have more Sun2 and Blackhole weathers. I want more Sun2 and Blackhole weathers.

I am split between Boreal for all the great reasons stated and Loge due to the "Perfect event space" line. Loge sounds like a great place for teams to gather together and share a Taco.

I'm planning on whaling all my coins on whatever the popular stadium choice is so whatever decision is made i'm going to be happy with

It's almost time for contruction on our ballpark to begin, remember to vote for your choice of prefab in the poll in the pins if you haven't already! @strategy pings

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I enjoy that photo there. Reminds me of the Eldritch video of that frog

Hey uhh if/when we create art for the stadium can it not be the pic arch posted

Normal .. Normal';s SNorma Normal sStadium Normal Ballpark

how else will you quantify an infinite stadium except for abstract eldritch imagery?

I’m seriously concerned that boreal = less dingers, otherwise I’d be all for it

It's infinite LA all interpretations are valid

perhaps we should spoiler deep dream images please? also glitches are right there

I picked boreal simply because getting lost in our own stadium is a very Taco thing

I don't think Boreal = less dingers. It talks about high ceiling, but there is nothing about long field.

i think any actual buffs will be super minor and we have no idea what they would actually be, better to pick one based on flavour imo

Wow, just jumped back to the poll. Looks like pretty strong support for Boreal. I'm definitely on board with that.

"Tacos: Come get lost in the sauce with us"

Alright, Earlsiesta will ~~probably~~ start as soon as this round of games ends, and it appears that our chosen option is Boreal!

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REMINDER: If you haven't already, don't forget to actually buy the Pizza slice so you can participate in the stadium funding

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Alright! Stadium is fully funded - good work everyone! We'll archive this channel in a bit, so if any lore ideas resonated with you, please carry them to #lore-general-a!